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and this is weapons

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we should maybe just fill in our

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listeners about how Jay Stratton ended

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up studying UFOs and related Mysteries

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because uh he made it clear to us in our

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conversation with him he's not a UFO guy

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he's not sitting at home watching UFO

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videos on YouTube he'd watch guitar

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playing videos on YouTube but not UFOs

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he didn't have a whole bunch of books he

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didn't have an abiding interest in it

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but he ended up moving from Office of

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Naval intelligence over to DIA and uh

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became an acquaintance and colleague of

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Dr Jim lacaski who was the creator of

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eventually became the creator of the

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OSAP program what became OSAP and

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lakowski had an interest in in skin

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marker Ranch in the book that column and

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I Tom Kelleher and I wrote and well

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we'll let uh we'll let uh Jay Stratton

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explain how that process went I can

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remember telling our mutual friend Dr

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laketsky right that you know some of

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this stuff I I don't and I and I hate

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saying the word now because I have so

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much more background but the word

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believe right the the belief isn't there

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necessarily that I'm seeing what I think

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are you know was being reported right so

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uh that Evolution between 2006 uh and

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then to 2008 uh at that time I uh I had

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to go to Iraq uh just a normal

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deployment and because we did deploy

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civilians uh a lot of people don't

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realize that civilians are just on the

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hook just like uh military

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um in 2006 and seven time frame as we

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were trying to to think about this

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problem Set uh Jim lakaski says uh hey

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basically I made the comments on the

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effect of I'd love to see one with my

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own eyes and uh and what I meant by one

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is a nuts and bolts craft right because

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in my mind that's why I'm a technology

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Aerospace guy I'm thinking the craft

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that I can go touch and put my hands on

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right or I'd like to see one of these

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things in person and I was getting ready

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to go and Jim I was obviously he was

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tracking the the ranch uh and he kind of

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made a joke or I don't even say it's a

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joke about a comment of hey you know

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there's one place in the world we might

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see one of these things as this place

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and he hands me your book

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and I throw the book in my backpack and

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literally took it to a rack with me so I

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read that book in the green zone and and

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uh in my down time and uh you know

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before I even got back uh we're you know

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talking and and things are proceeding

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along but so I come back uh and at that

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time we we were at initially uh the

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defense warning office and Dia was at

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the diac would call the defense

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intelligence analysis Center at bowling

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Air Force Base now granted I was flight

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test back in the day as Pax River Naval

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Air Station which is in St Mary's County

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Maryland so I still live there and I

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never sold my house throughout this

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whole process because I liked where I

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lived but I was making really terrible

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commutes so I agreed to work at the

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defense intelligence agency and made

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that commute and then the process they

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transferred us 14 miles through the city

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to another place and I can remember the

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quotes of this day it was almost only 14

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miles Jay but it's 14 miles of DC hell

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right going through the the commute

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there so anyway we end up in this place

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it's called Clarendon and the

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it was really killing me physically you

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know just the drive every day and the

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stress of that I love the job but the

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stress of getting there at home and in

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2008 oh and I offered me the position to

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come back and be the deputy directory of

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warfare which was a lot better commute

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and I love the one eye you know I kind

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of grew up there in in the Intel

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community so I took that job and left

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um you know Dr McCaskey stayed in touch

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but that contract uh

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you know it was already in the

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beginnings and then in 2009 if I

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remember my timeline right he put it on

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fed Biz Ops to be bid and they had two

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bidders that I remember and one being

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Bob bigley you know Bigler airspace and

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the other being a company that I don't

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remember the name of but uh it was an in

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a company that did a lot of business

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with Dia and and kind of that contract

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world you know they they you have your

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favorite customers and your favorite but

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there were more than one bid no funny

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business that you can see it wasn't none

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at all and I know all of the leadership

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right I worked there worked for them

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they're the most straightforward honest

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people as you can imagine and I can they

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could not uh I could never in a million

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years imagine them

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taking any kind of uh you know

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favoritism into account they I guarantee

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they went over everything very detailed

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and made a decision based on the best uh

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response to the proposal that they had

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and they should they fire up this

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program Bigelow's organization Springs

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in action they create these 38 papers

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you know we've heard it described as

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junk science do you recall how those

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papers were received when they when they

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came out so what I remember so lakatski

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uh Dr laketsky you know that was was

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driving that and our uh colleague Dr Hal

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putoff kind of led the charge there uh

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supporting Bigelow Aerospace and

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the idea of them in my mind was awesome

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right I'll have this reference document

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that I can always go back to on all

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these different Technologies

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um they did come back being all right

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uh I'll say academic right very high

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level academic

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whereas we're dealing with the defense

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intelligence agency that predominance is

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the liberal arts degree and you know

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their war on terrorism was hot and heavy

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right we're hiring people who are

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experts in in that culture and and you

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know hiring some people just because

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they speak Arabic you know and all these

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things it wasn't we weren't hiring the

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best and brightest engineers at the time

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because it just it wasn't the need of

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the of the DIA so if you take all of

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that into context and you realize your

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average Gia analyst is going to look at

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that with their you know Poli SCI or

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history background and go what is this

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whereas other folks out you know out

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afrl and folks you know people with the

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with the educational background look at

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it and go oh this is this is interesting

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but they may say some of it is junk

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science because it is bleeding edge and

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that's what we wanted we wanted to know

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what what they thought as as the leading

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expert on a potential technology what

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would be pushing the edge of that

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envelope because I needed something to

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point back to if I saw something in any

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kind of reporting and I could say look

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you know based on Dr you know XYZ they

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wrote this report that that's

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significant you've seen what else was

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produced by OSAP over the 27 months I

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mean it's a lot of stuff but a lot of it

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is some of it is pretty weird I mean you

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know the skinwalker angle I've heard it

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said now people who uh want to denigrate

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the program that it was nonsense uh it

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got off on all this weird paranormal

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stuff that was never what it was

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supposed to be and it was a waste of

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money and that's why it was canceled

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because it got into these weird topics

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that are just too far out

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in general uh can you address uh the

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work that was done by OSAP the reports

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that you've read that have been made

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public whether it was worthwhile or not

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so I'm back at Oni at this point right

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so my day-to-day interaction with the

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contract and with with bass was not not

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there you know I didn't have that

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um however Dr lakaski and I again he

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wants to pick my brain on things that

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are being seen and I'm still in a role

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where I'm concerned about threats to

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Aviation and and those types of things

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right so it's good to keep me and the

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team that I had and and and my larger

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Rolodex of experts across the Intel

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community so it was good to keep me uh

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up to speed

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technology areas and the Heart and Soul

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of those Technologies areas is

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preventing a disruptive technology

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the other stuff that came out of that

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was collateral it

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you know if you go to the ranch to see a

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nuts and bolts craft that you might be

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able to put your hands on and you see

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other things that you can't explain no

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one to this day can explain is it

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something to do with the technology is

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it something you know is it an effect on

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the body is it is it something that

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that's driving you to see things that

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that aren't really there you know all

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those things needed to be studied and

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and again throughout this whole process

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I'm learning all of this comes into the

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Forefront later with the with the bigger

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task force and knowing what I needed and

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knowing the kinds of expertise that I

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needed and that true diversity may not

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mean you know whether you're you're from

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a certain country or your ethnic

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background or anything else or true

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diversity maybe just purely the way you

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think based on your own background that

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is kind of an asymmetric approach to the

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technology area right for example hiring

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a biologist to look at the terrorist

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Islam and how it spreads like a virus

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right you take that same mindset to

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other things and and the various

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phenomenon that we're seeing it's it's

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important to to bring in that kind of

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diversity is just purely the way they

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think and I always like to bring in

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folks with that kind of background that

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didn't have a military background

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because now they don't they're not in

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this box in this in this in this uh in

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this Viewpoint that they're always

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trying to mold things into they're

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coming at you with well have you thought

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about this right and that is where the

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true the power of those and those papers

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come from too because then you've got to

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be something to point back to to say hey

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hey take a look at this what do you

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think right you know to another academic

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or and and how can you uh how how could

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you see that applied

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so Jay Stratton is not a UFO guy he's uh

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uh I don't know if you say a career

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intelligence officer but Owen I to DIA

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the the UFO thing hits at him and he

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realizes there's a void there we need to

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do this right there are potential

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threats we don't know where they're

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coming from so I'm going to create the

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the UAP task force and we're going to

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look at this in a badass way and we're

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